1957 GM Transit bus - Rochester, New York

Rochester, New York RGRTA/RTS Transit Authority Rochester, New York RGRTA/RTS Transit Authority Rochester, New York RGRTA/RTS Transit Authority Rochester, New York RGRTA/RTS Transit Authority Rochester, New York RGRTA/RTS Transit Authority

1957 General Motors coach (possibly a TDH-3714) Just shown to the public after over 5 years of restoration by the maintenance staff of Rochester, New York RGRTA/RTS Transit Authority. (Jan. 24, 2008).

This bus is going to be used for educational purposes at local schools to help make children more aware of the level of segregation faced by many just 50 years ago. During the restoration 2 original signs were uncovered directing colored people to sit in the rear of the bus. This bus originally ran in the south possibly South Carolina.


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Gerry Byrne | Jun 24, 2010 | 10:15 pm

Dear sirs,

As a transit buff and visitor to Rochester since the late 1940's, I respectfully submit that the restored RTC bus is not a TDH 3714. RTC operated TDH3612's, TDH4509's and 4512's and TDH5106's. Your photos would appear to be a 4512 as only they and the 5106's were painted in thr "new" tri-color paint scheme. I have photos of the 3612's and 4509's in the back lot after they were retired and theey are still in the "superior" red and cream which had been in use since the arrival of the Mack C45DT's in the late 1940's. I was going to forward them to you but was unable to reach you from my address.

Keep up the good work,

March 16, 2008 2:02:34 PM EDT

jeepfreak123 | Jun 24, 2010 | 10:15 pm

Gerry did you work there? I would love to see your photos. I am a mechanic at RGRTA currently, and am fascinated by this old girl. I did not have the good fortune to work on this project but would have loved to. As for the model I could find out from co workers that worked on it. I was only guessing from web photos, I was eager to share the pics I had taken so I did not take the time when posting to verify. You can contact me at

March 16, 2008 3:10:02 PM EDT

jeepfreak123 | Jun 24, 2010 | 10:16 pm

By the way Gerry I have a cd full of pics of this unit a few showing it's conditiond upon arrival. I can copy and send to you if you like. This unit was found in a Pennsylvania junk yard and originally ran in the south, (believed to be in S.C.). It then had a private owner for many years before the bone yard and then our yard. It under went a fairly extensive restoration including the entire floor many body panels recovered seats (JB upholstery Fairport Ny.) Paint Chrome plating suspension and Engine/Trans rebuilding. Every effort was made to bring this unit up to Museum quality standards with only a few exceptions due to parts unavailability, and one piece wheels for safety in lieu of the split rims.

March 16, 2008 3:23:34 PM EDT

terrence l. wright | Jun 24, 2010 | 10:17 pm

I am currently employed as a bus operator in rochester

June 22, 2008 1:55:41 PM EDT

Juan Romero | Jun 24, 2010 | 10:18 pm

Great job! Too bad for the derogatory sign, but that was custommary in that time. Glad that such an era is over!

August 16, 2008 12:11:02 PM EDT

Ted Wright | Dec 16, 2010 | 9:38 pm

I think it's great what been done to this bus. I work in the transit industry and we have two coach's left like this. I have been trying to have one restored out of the two. I had one running a couple of years ago after setting for several years. Seeing them running is good! I also liked the new look buses. GM made very good buses!

Dan Keefe | Feb 16, 2011 | 8:55 am

You guys did a nice job. I own a 1958 GM TGH-3102 w/270 6cly. gas engine and dual range hydramatic with angle drive.Coach #851 was operated by CR&L in Bridgeport CT. and owned by Cunard Shipping. Will post pics if you send me an email.Don't forget to drive that baby I've had mine since '82 and they don't like to sit to long. Regards.

Jay Hofschneider | Mar 03, 2011 | 2:35 pm

While this is a lovely restoration, this bus looks nothing like the Rochester Transit Corp. busses of the late 50's RTC busses were painted cream and red, with different graphics. I don't think RTC even used this model of bus. I don't think you guys have done your homework.

Mark Howell | Jan 21, 2012 | 11:01 am

I own 1958 TGH 3102 915, it has been converted to a motor home, with a dodge drive train adapted to the angle drive case, I need info on the input shaft to that and the bolt pattern since I am rteeplacing with a 454 and turbo 400. I can not breath diesel(medical reasons), so please dont suggest it. Anyone have info on this transfer case like v drive unit that was originally bolted to the hydraulic transmission? ( It is on the left side, radiator on the right, as opposed to the usual [reversed] configuration in most buses)


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