1952 General Motors Coach GM PD-4103 SERIAL #-934 - Asbury Park-New York Transit Corp

October 28, 1997

Mr. Lopez,

The bus you will see is a 1952 GM-PD-4103. Serial #-934. It was originally owned by Asbury Park-New York Transit Corp. (Rollo Transit Corp.). This bus is slated for restoration when I can afford to. Amazingly, it runs and drives great. It is 98% all there, but needs a lot of TLC.

1952 General Motors Coach GM PD-4103 SERIAL #-934 - Asbury Park-New York Transit Corp

My other buses include a 1958 TG-3102, a 1968 PD-4903 (x-PSCT NJ #-Z-619), and a 1975 TDH-4523A fishbowl. All are GM. I have access to a wide variety of buses through a friend who collects them. The world does not have enough bus nuts.

Best regards,
- Nick DeBenedetto
Woodbridge, N.J.


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James | Sep 14, 2010 | 9:51 am

If you ever want to sell your 1952 "Henry J"
Let me know:)
My sons name is Henry James :)

DeserTBoB | Jan 05, 2011 | 11:54 am

I put many miles on PD-4103s when I first started driving coaches. The 4103 was a big improvement over the Silversides in some ways, since it was quite a bit lighter and was an easy steerer. The A/C was marginal on the '03s, but somewhat better than the Silversides. Luggage space was inadequate for overnight charters, though. My favorite was an ex-Trailways around this same vintage. In fact, I think the serial number was very close to this one.

Al Bianco | Oct 31, 2011 | 3:27 pm

Hello Deser; Own a PD 4103 S,n 1462,which ran out of L A to Vegas,as I have been told. Sold in 60,s to Fresno Ca.) City Charter lines,and then to Joe P,of G&J freight.Joe,converted it to M/home and it was great job. Still looks great inside ,but has need of detailing. Most chrome still good. It is a runner. GM 6-71N,Has 90 Injectors,and 355 Rearend,and 80 MPH at 1900.Changed tire size to metric 275R70 and gained 1/2 gear on hills.I drove many MC9's and some 6&8 models for Community college in Fresno.Wish to sell to someone who won't need much but $$ to bring up to fun. Use all Amsoil in drive train,plus By-Pass filter,and starts like new all the time.
Good to talk to you. Regards, Al B

DeserTBoB | Nov 01, 2011 | 9:00 pm

@Al, you are VERY lucky to find the 3.56 "Texas" rear end, although they did show up on a lot of the ex-Trailways '03s, as well as the TNM&O 4104s from 1956-7. Those with the 3.56 were real ticket getters on the flat, but dogs in the mountains. We did have one 4104, from 1957, that was delivered to LTR with the 3.56. It was the second fastest bus in the fleet. The fastest was a Crown tandem recliner we had with a NHH220 Cummins and a 12 speed air split Spicer. It would do 102 MPH at 2100 RPM. Although not as "refined" as the GMs, those Crowns were really great coaches.

DeserTBoB | Nov 02, 2011 | 10:53 am

ATTN: Al Bianco or any other 4102/3 owners: An NOS right side W/S glass has shown up on eBay today for $900. This will get bid up to probably a grand or more, but these are IMPOSSIBLE to get. If you're serious about glass replacement, bid now. eBay...

Rick Brightwell | Nov 10, 2011 | 1:06 pm

I have a 1952 4103 Detroit 671, need some HV-6 injectors, mine is hitting on 3 cylinders, would like to drop 3 working injectors in and see what I have engine wise before I spend much money working on it.

Any help appreciated

DeserTBoB | Nov 10, 2011 | 2:06 pm

When it cranks up on 3 cyls, do you get "white fog" coming out of the exhaust with it or no? If the bus has been sitting for years with fuel up on the top deck, they're probably plugged with algae. One way to tell is to pull a jumper and see how much crud is in it. Clean them all out (I used to use Brakleen, oddly enough), turque them back down after flushing the pump, and see what happens. If you are getting "fog" with the other 3 hitting, you may have some compression problems. Do you let it try to warm up a little like this?

william brown | Jul 09, 2012 | 8:55 am

on the greyhound pd4103 bus why are some windows able to open and some were solid where they would not slide?

jeremy | Sep 10, 2012 | 9:31 pm

hi, i have a 1951 silversides just wandering if you know what they are worth, been thinking about selling, but haven't parted with it yet they kinda grow on you little, i was told it was roughly worth 25.000 to 28.000 but dont know you dont see 1951s on the internet you can find older ones, and newer but no 51s, are these rarer or can you put me in touch with someone that could help me, would be greatly appreciated, thanks

Al Bianco---Amsoil Jobber | Sep 11, 2012 | 3:02 pm

Jeremy; That is a Early (under500 ),S/n 4103 or 4102 Model.Does it have a directional signal with a lighted Arrow in front and rear??That is a 4102 ;my later 03 ( s/n 1462 ),has round Orange colored Glass directionals. Both had Yellow Fog lights shine thru Bumper,with switch next to Brights switch. There are two or three in Calif,not sure if running yet. Mine is in top operational shape as a 25 year old Motor Home conversion.Your unit Might have that value as Original,untouched motor coach,but only to collectors,or similar markets.
Better decide quick,because it will grow on ytou,the longer you keep it in your family,like one of your children.
All the Best,Big Al B

Al Bianco---Amsoil Jobber | Sep 11, 2012 | 3:18 pm

Nick De B;
Hi Nick. Have a good number Ideas on how to change the performance of your 4103 ,as mine is a great runner. Has 3:55 rear gears and got it to run local and hills along with some later MC 9's speed,with 740 Allisons. My 3rd gear will run up hills at 2000RPM and 44-49 MPH,and loves every minute. Used to run 1500 ,not so good for Gimmy,even with 90MM injectors. Would your friend have source for a Driver's side w/shield at a fair price? Kids thru rock at it after it was replaced for 2 weeks,about 10 years ago.Cannot find another. Start the Coach every week,even in winter,use 100% synthetic oil and it Will start,even then-down to -40DegF.
Enjoy that great old reliable coach,known to start all others that failed in a fleet.All the Best Big Al Bianco

jeremy | Sep 11, 2012 | 4:43 pm

thanks al my bus has been converted into a motor home, it runs great, motor has approx 120.000 on a rebuild, it has a 4 in the floor, for the age it will move pretty good, my frame under driver seat says 4103, and i will have to check on the signal lenses it is parked at another place for now don't have room for it as of yet, so it does need remodeled tho, good thing i am a carpenter to would not like to pay that remodel bill, but anyway, if i got a decent offer i guess i would sell it, i have had it about 2 an a half years and i have not put more than 200 miles on it, will check back with you later, have a good one..

jeremy | Sep 12, 2012 | 1:44 pm

another question what did you mean by early under 500

Al Bianco---Amsoil Jobber | Sep 12, 2012 | 5:56 pm

Jeremy; Referred to lower than 500 serial numbers could be classified as 4102 model,and that would have the Arrow signal lights. THe pic above shows the round directionals.Still looking for a buy in driver side w/shield ,crazy,never give up,I guess.
Enjoy the coach,as they are unique. I named ours "Andiamo", --Let's Go ,in Italian

Matthew Gwaltney | Jun 03, 2013 | 11:43 pm

hey Jeremy, you mentioned last September that you'd consider selling if you got a decent offer. what is a decent offer to you? I am looking for a 4103 to convert so my wife and 4 kids and I can travel the USA. If it runs, lets get together and make something happen.

Al Bianco | Jun 06, 2013 | 11:49 am

Matthew; Are you interested in a conversion,or plan to buy lesser $$ to convert yourself. I May consider selling my 4103 ,which is explained somewhat above ,at about what Jeremy has indicated price-wiae in $25 K area.Will need some updating,in appliances,which are not automatic and working well, will sleep up to 5 and seat 15 due to Settee in rear converts to 6x8 bed.Has 60% fresh 255/70.22.5 rear;235/70.22.5 front 90%,for lowering 3:55 rear axle gears;Brake rebuild recent,Silversides/bumpers good,,needs top and windows/bottom & sides paint. Does NOT leak oil.
Can discuss further,if interested.
Regards, Al B.

Matthew Gwaltney | Jun 08, 2013 | 9:31 pm

Hey Al, could you send me some pictures of your 4103? Inside and out, front and back.

Al Bianco | Jun 10, 2013 | 11:48 am

Hello Matthew; Will do,as soon as I can access from computer and camera. MY grandson will help with that. Thanks for your interest,and inform that we are firm on the price,but also seek good use of the Coach,too. You know that it has a four speed Transmission,or did I forget to mention that. Also that all components are treated with Amsoil 100% synthetic Lubes,and that insure best lube maintenance. Thanks again for your interest. Al B Mobile:559.281.4804

jeremy | Sep 30, 2013 | 10:07 pm

hey matthew did you ever find a bus yet, just now ran across your inquiry, sorry, if you are still interested email me at

Matthew Gwaltney | Oct 01, 2013 | 9:56 am

Thank you gentlemen, I did find a bus. I ended up going with a '68 4107. Needs a little work, but it is all there, and the price was well within my budget.

yun chi | Jan 13, 2014 | 6:16 pm

I'm Dora.I'm working in magazine company. We are looking for a vintage bus for photo shooting. If you know any information about this bus or where can i rent this kind of bus for shooting.I'd like to talk to you.
please email me
thank you

Brian ONeill j.r | Oct 17, 2014 | 5:49 pm

Where is the z619 now the pd 4903. That was my dad bus .


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