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General Motors Coach (GMC) 1958 PD-4104 and 1968 PD 4903

Here are some pictures of old buses that I've taken over the years. I tend to favor GMC buses from the 1950's thru the 1970's. That's what I grew up with when my family ran a small charter bus company which ran under the name of B & J Bus Service of Jersey City, NJ. We began the company in 1972 with a 1958 GMC PD4104 purchased from Greyhound for $7,000. I even remember that it had Kentucky license plates and had the fleet number 9935, which we kept and continued with for all subsequent buses. The first picture is of that bus with my father and some passengers beside it.


Greyhound GMC PD4104


Our first bus, a 1958 GMC PD4104. Greyhound colors are still evident. It had a cool Greyhound dog stamped on aluminum riveted to the front where the GMC plaque would have went. This photos was taken sometime in 1973 at Jungle Habitat in Milford, New Jersey, which was the areas first drive-thru animal safari similar to Six Flag's Great Adventure in Jackson, NJ.





This was taken in 1978 near Niagra Falls (US) and was a 1968 GMC PD 4903 #9946. It was purchased from Starr Transit of Trenton, NJ a few months before I snapped this picture. That's my dad posing in front.

 

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sailncatsas | Jun 24, 2010 | 8:46 pm

i think i own that bus now i have pd4903-046 could it be the same bus?

February 16, 2009 4:55:16 PM EST

C. Abbott | Jun 24, 2010 | 8:47 pm

Stolen Bus 1958 GMC Greyhound, burgandy and silver any information of it where abouts $ 1000 dollar reward ! please repost !!

CM Abbott
sound1234@comcast.net

Hey I had my 1958 GMC Greyhound tour bus stolen !
I'm kinda def I tried to use e-mail no one has been able to
help ! The phone don't work please be cautious around
Hollywood and in Los Angeles

January 11, 2010 9:32:21 PM EST

Mike | Jun 24, 2010 | 8:48 pm

I remember that 4104 & your father. I'm Johnny D's nephew, he worked for your father. I even have a picture of the back of the Prevost that made as far R.P. with all the B&J lettering on it.

January 24, 2010 1:00:05 PM EST

Classic Bus | Jun 24, 2010 | 8:49 pm

Mike,
I remember your uncle Johnny D very well. As a kid he used to make me laugh with all his stories and jokes. He was a real character and a great guy. Say hello to him for me and if you could send me any photo(s) that would be great.

webmaster AT classicbusdepot.com

Thanks,
Bernie

January 24, 2010 4:51:48 PM EST

william galloway | Jan 12, 2011 | 1:48 pm

i nead the elec.box on the right side of bus 4104 1958 and i cant get my break lights working my cell is 307 256 0755

william galloway | Jan 30, 2011 | 7:57 pm

the box i am lloking for is delco -remy 1118416 generator it for 1958 4104 bus regulator

PHILIP FRIEDMAN | Apr 07, 2011 | 8:41 am

LOOKIN FOR BUS PICTURES OF RED AND TAN HUDSON BUS IN THE MID 70 S

DeserTBoB | Oct 10, 2011 | 10:28 pm

The late 4104s were great coaches. The 4903s-4905s...not so much.

Jeff Burns | Apr 22, 2012 | 9:57 am

Phil Friedman
I recently saw a model of a Red & Tan GM bus and don't know where I could purchase one. Tried Corgi,couldn't find it. Any suggestions?

Jeff Burns | Apr 22, 2012 | 9:59 am

I guess my email address would help !
jbnorske48@comcast.net

Thanks Phil !

wendall neal | Aug 13, 2012 | 5:35 pm

I have 30 year collection of 4104 4106 4905 GMC bus parts. 6-71 8-71 engine electrical brakes lights roof skin panels for 4106. Nos 8-71 crankshaft 8-71 blower professionally rebuilt dd-3 brake chambers rebuilt 12 & 24 volt alternators rebuilt starter parts armatures bearings seals . would like to sell all in lump deal

Jon | Jan 10, 2013 | 2:04 pm

If no takers on lump deal, will you be willing to sell some 4104 parts?

Mark Stephens | May 21, 2013 | 6:47 am

looking for a used oil pan for a 8v71 in a 4106/ also looking for the left engine support that goes from the middle of the bus to the frame under the engie. my bus has a bent support and dented oil pan

Jon | May 21, 2013 | 8:33 am

Contact Luke at US Coach in New Jersey
888/262-2434
If he does not have it, he knows where you can get it.

mark blair | Sep 12, 2013 | 8:29 pm

i am looking for an entrance door to a 57 pd-4104 ,,,, any advice would be hulpful

Jon | Sep 12, 2013 | 8:50 pm

Mark what what city and state are you in? Shipping doors is very expensive. Also care to share your bus's serial number for list of surviving 4104's.

My email is jusle@aol.com

mark blair | Sep 13, 2013 | 6:34 am

sir
will have to get back to u on the number ,,just sent it off to get the title in my name ,but i think it was 4104-1604

mark blair | Sep 15, 2013 | 6:49 am

wendal neal ,,, by chance have a entrance door for a 4104

Jon | Sep 15, 2013 | 8:00 am

I know of 2 - 4104's being scrapped, an entrance door is very heavy and freight for it very expensive. One is in Florida the other is in Indiana I think. Your location here helps so I put you in contact with the right guy.

Jon

mark blair | Sep 15, 2013 | 4:17 pm

hello jon

i am located in jax,fl ,here is my number 912-577-2339 still a georgia number ,,,

Jon | Sep 15, 2013 | 11:32 pm

Mark,

A bus nut named Alan will call you. He lives
about 30 miles from you and has a door. I have done business with him before and he is very reasonable.

mark blair | Sep 16, 2013 | 4:40 pm

jon

he called me today ,,looks like its my lucky day ,,,, parts for the bus and a fellow bus nut to talk too ,,, just wanted to say thank you

mark

Jon | Sep 16, 2013 | 5:25 pm

Mark,

Your quite welcome, tracking down all the 4104 buses in the world lets meet other bus nuts. Do you need a free (yes free) set of manuals?

Jon

mark blair | Sep 16, 2013 | 6:57 pm

jon

that would be great !!!
thanks

Jon | Sep 16, 2013 | 7:07 pm

http://www.viewrvs.com/bus-conversion/gmc/gmc-4104.php

They are pdf files, just click and they will automatically download.

Jon

mark blair | Jan 27, 2014 | 6:34 pm

i wondering how to convert my air ride on 4104 gm to a manual operation

Jon Usle | Jan 27, 2014 | 6:56 pm

Air ride what? Suspension, seat????????

mark blair | Jan 28, 2014 | 5:46 am

suspension ,so i can use as a leveler in parks

Jon Usle | Jan 29, 2014 | 5:27 am

http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=8665.msg86054#msg86054

You can find that topic discussed at bus conversions forum. Never done it myself.

Dan Schroeder | Dec 06, 2014 | 9:00 pm

I have a 1958 pd4104 that I will probably have to get rid of. anybody in the stl mo area looking for parts?

Jon Usle | Dec 06, 2014 | 9:37 pm

Dan is your coach drivable or is it a heap. Lot of folks out there looking for a project bus and parts buses. Send me an email at jusle@aol.com
with your contact info and I will let some folks in your part of the country know. I have a busnut friend your neck of the woods with a stretched 40'
4104. Also would you care to share your coach's serial number?

How much would you take for it?

James Demer | Jan 01, 2015 | 3:02 pm

I am looking for two mufflers for a 1958 gmc 4104 any help would be appreciated. 1-708-417-4045

Jon Usle | Jan 01, 2015 | 4:33 pm

Calling you. My email is jusle@aol.com

Arthur brinkerhoff | Jan 22, 2015 | 10:24 am

I've been looking for a bus and possibly located one, It needs a driver left glass side forward maybe called the left forward vent window. Do you have one or can you steer me to a vendor that supply's them?

Jon Usle | Jan 22, 2015 | 10:44 am

Yes I have a couple of sources around the US, what is your state? Send me an email at jusle@aol.com

I don't post other's phone numbers on the web.
What is your coach's serial number?

Also have links to free parts & maintenance manual.

Arthur j Brinkerhoff | Jan 23, 2015 | 11:24 am

Hi Jon: I just spoke with Gerry about the 4104 and it sure sounds nice. And just what we are looking for. This bus was X Trailways? With a Johnson bar emergency brake. I hope I have that right. Kinda wish it had an air valve, for parking was too early in manufacturing, and later installed on a newer model? Just wondering. Sunny

Jon Usle | Jan 23, 2015 | 1:13 pm

All 1957's came with the Johnson Bar for.parking brakes. Some secondary owners replaced them with an air parking brake and disconnected the Johnson Bar linkage.

Dan's bus is the former Trailways coach.

Arthur j Brinkerhoff | Jan 23, 2015 | 2:34 pm

Hello Jon: Dan as of yet has not responded to my e-mail, I assume he has sold it, but maybe not, I just don't know for sure, from your past comments I really think I would money ahead with Gerry's bus, not knowing the price of both units, we haven't talked money yet, just what is there. Respectfully Sunny

Jon Usle | Jan 23, 2015 | 8:08 pm

I sent a inquiry to Dan, to see if he got your email. Time.will tell.

Arthur j brinkerhoff | Jan 24, 2015 | 7:12 am

thank you Jon for doing that, I sent to your E-mail a situation about the New York bus and it's Johnson bar and this
Texas air brake requirement.

 

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